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Forums: Rules Discussion: Strength to Attack with thrown weapons (5) trollbill Dec 7, 2020, 10:16 am

Is there any way of using your Strength instead of Dexterity for your attack rolls with thrown weapons in PF2? I see there is a Brutal trait in the Bestiary that does this, but I see no way of PCs getting access to this?

Blave Dec 7, 2020, 10:21 am

Not as far as I know.

Castilliano Dec 7, 2020, 10:40 am

The Brutal trait leads me to think it's something Paizo's considering.
Monsters/NPCs don't need excuses for having a high attack bonus, yet Paizo put that trait in there anyway (though I suppose it does make a difference depending on what debuffs get applied to those creatures).

We know Paizo wants to limit stats in PF2 replacing other stats, though in this case throwing damage already features Strength, and in many parties a major portion of the ranged attacks are being done by mental stats via spells. And the better ranged weapons, i.e. bows, would remain Dex.
Having looked at throwing from day 1, it's hard to justify compared to bows (or bows + melee switch-hitting) except perhaps if you have a shield (which isn't as worthwhile for a thrower) or for coolness/RPing.

So what I'm hoping for, and somewhat expecting, is a Dedication for throwers w/ Brutal Thrower (or something similar) as one of the feat options (even if there's a Dex minimum for entry). Maybe the APG didn't have one because it didn't make the cut or have enough feats to warrant a Dedication. Or maybe Paizo's trying to figure out which types of thrower(s) to develop, from rock-guy to anything-gal to ricochet-captain to Dex-damage-throwing-Rogue.

Or maybe they're waiting on the release of bulky thrown weapons like the Orc Shotput or something? Dunno.

Darksol the Painbringer Dec 7, 2020, 10:43 am

trollbill wrote:

Is there any way of using your Strength instead of Dexterity for your attack rolls with thrown weapons in PF2? I see there is a Brutal trait in the Bestiary that does this, but I see no way of PCs getting access to this?

Nope, it is strictly a creature/GM tool. It's honestly a useless one, too, since creature to-hit and other attributes are "Whatever the hell the GM wants," and not some number calculated based on existing attributes and other modifiers.

Timeshadow Dec 7, 2020, 12:38 pm

I think a new feat should allow a 1/2 to hit bonus from str with thrown ranged weapons like how the propulsive allows 1/2 str bonus to damage with bows. It allows Str users to get a bit more accuracy from thrown weapons but dex users will still be king for ranges accuracy.

Castilliano Dec 7, 2020, 12:54 pm

Timeshadow wrote:

I think a new feat should allow a 1/2 to hit bonus from str with thrown ranged weapons like how the propulsive allows 1/2 str bonus to damage with bows. It allows Str users to get a bit more accuracy from thrown weapons but dex users will still be king for ranges accuracy.

That does suit PF2 sensibilities, where it's easy to find feats that bring you up from the bottom of curve, yet there are few that take you to the top of the curve (that mostly coming via class progression instead).

But I'm wondering that may be too narrow a niche.
I guess a full plate/10 Dex PC may want it (w/ 18 Str that would be a +2 to their weakness, ranged attacks), and that may be enough.

HammerJack Dec 7, 2020, 12:59 pm

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Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

trollbill wrote:

Is there any way of using your Strength instead of Dexterity for your attack rolls with thrown weapons in PF2? I see there is a Brutal trait in the Bestiary that does this, but I see no way of PCs getting access to this?
Nope, it is strictly a creature/GM tool. It's honestly a useless one, too, since creature to-hit and other attributes are "Whatever the hell the GM wants," and not some number calculated based on existing attributes and other modifiers.

It's still relevant for determine whether Enfeebled or Clumsy affects chance to hit for creatures that have ranged attacks with the trait.

Darksol the Painbringer Dec 7, 2020, 01:13 pm

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HammerJack wrote:

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

trollbill wrote:

Is there any way of using your Strength instead of Dexterity for your attack rolls with thrown weapons in PF2? I see there is a Brutal trait in the Bestiary that does this, but I see no way of PCs getting access to this?
Nope, it is strictly a creature/GM tool. It's honestly a useless one, too, since creature to-hit and other attributes are "Whatever the hell the GM wants," and not some number calculated based on existing attributes and other modifiers.
It's still relevant for determine whether Enfeebled or Clumsy affects chance to hit for creatures that have ranged attacks with the trait.

That's fair, then.

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Can you use strength for Thrown weapons? ›

Is Throw based on Strength or Dex? Well, if it's a ranged weapon like a bow then dex. If it's a finesse weapon like a dagger then also dex. Anything else is strength.

Do Thrown weapons use dex or strength in BG3? ›

To throw a specific weapon, players simply need to select it from the list and then choose their target. This will make an Attack Roll against that target, using either the character's Strength or the highest of their Strength and Dexterity if the Thrown weapon has the Finesse property.

What modifier do you use for Thrown weapons? ›

For most ranged weapons you add your Dexterity modifier. There are a few exceptions though: Thrown weapons like daggers use Dex for the attack roll but add Str to damage. Finesse weapons used in melee like rapiers and shortswords have the option of using Dex for both the attack and damage.

Do Thrown weapons use strength in Pathfinder 2e? ›

A thrown weapon adds your Strength modifier to damage just like a melee weapon does.

Can you throw a dagger with strength? ›

For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.

What is the rule for throwing weapons in 5e? ›

Thrown. If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon.

Do thrown weapons count as weapon attacks in BG3? ›

While Thrown Weapons will not count as a ranged attack in the title as you would with Archery, it will still gain the +2 bonus from being on high ground along with the -2 penalty if your enemy has a high-ground advantage on you.

Does Dexterity affect thrown weapons? ›

12, throwing weapons are all 50/50 Str/Dex, so for every point in Str or Dex you can add . 5% of the weapon damage. This means you did more damage than in Diablo 2 classic if your Dex is higher than your Str.

Do improvised thrown weapons use Dex? ›

Improvised weapons don't have the *thrown* property, so they use Dexterity even if it's something large and unwieldy like a greataxe.

Can you smite with a thrown weapon in BG3? ›

Divine Smite cannot be triggered by ranged attacks. Does not consume the spell slot on a miss. Divine Smite (reaction). This allows you to use Divine Smite on any melee weapon attack and multiple times per turn, even while dual-wielding.

Is handaxe dex or str? ›

It is also a heavy thrown weapon, so a character can throw it to make ranged attacks, using Strength instead of Dexterity for ranged basic attacks.

Does bloodthirst work when thrown in BG3? ›

Returning Pike - When thrown, will return to the owner. Comeback Handaxe - When thrown, returns to the thrower and damage them. Bloodthirst - When thrown, will return to the owner due to its permanent Bound Weapon condition.

Do thrown weapons count as ranged weapons Pathfinder? ›

Ranged weapons are thrown weapons or projectile weapons that are not effective in melee.

What is the most powerful weapon in Pathfinder? ›

Of course, there had to be a greatsword here. They have the highest damage out of all Pathfinder and Dungeons & Dragons weapon types. Blood Red Cleaver ups the brutality. The +5 greatsword not only deals 2d6 Slashing damage, but also more if the enemy is close to death.

Can you use strength for a rapier? ›

Finesse. When making an attack with a finesse weapon, you use your choice of your Strength or Dexterity modifier for the attack and damage rolls.

Do javelins use dex or strength? ›

A javelin is a simple one-handed melee weapon in the spear weapon group. A javelin is a heavy thrown weapon, so a character can throw it to make ranged attacks, using Strength instead of Dexterity for ranged basic attacks.

Can you use strength for ranged weapons? ›

Ranged weapons use dexterity only, for both attack and damage, unless the weapon is a special one with an explicit exception (e.g. there's a bow that uses dexterity as usual, but also lets you add yoru strength modifier for damage).

Do crossbows use STR or DEX? ›

Ranged damage is calculated with DEX, including crossbows. A good alternative for melee characters is using Throw on weapons with the Thrown attribute, such as spears or tridents. That is calculated with STR. Some of the later game magic items even return to your hand when you throw them.

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